
Photo by Evie Baker
Interview with the poet and painter Ed Baker
conducted January 31st to February 5th by Gary Parrish
Question 1
GP: How did you find yr way to New York in the late fifties, early sixties? Do you have a particular memory of poetry from this period, how did you become engaged?
EB: OK! my mother born in Manhattan in 1915! HOA I got stories! I once
asked her about her dad who had a horse wagon selling cloth and needle
about Charles Reznikoff.. she knew him from the home "Charles was
always well dressed. His family in clothing.. an he was a good dancer"
soooo that first question... I go wayyy back into NYC / Brooklyn...
then meeeting Pauline (Fay) Chin who yet lives in Manhattan 1959 this
inter view will be phun. one question at a time.... please
so I was connected to NYC in 1915 and before prior to my birth in 1941
I used to go up to may aunt an uncles 176 th and Longfellow Ave in the
early 50's more drive-by gang shootings than "poetry"
Question 2
GP: Can you speak a little bit more about how you came into contact with poetry, perhaps an early memory of writing or reading and having some satori.
Answer
EB:
Sure I can
Sure I can
in 6 th grade I had a teacher...Miss Strawn
and, as I clearly recall on Octobre 7, 1951
wrote my first poem I guess I was about 10
Harry Truman was President (he came into my dad's grocery store (Herb's
Market) once looking for fresh herbs!
it was for a geography class subject: Chile
Chile is long
Chile is thin
Chile has a lot of tin
Chile is about sixty miles wide
and Mount Popocatapolt reaches from side to sid
Chile is a large producer of copper
I don't know what country can top her
oh well
:then I discovered Stefan Vincent Benet ...
next I lept into the phray! so.to.speak:
I discoverd Pushkin (and some othe Russian poets (in translation)
which led me directly to WCW, Pound (not so-much the cantos except I
"really" got into The Pisan Cantos
(see my Hopkins thesis OKEANOS RHOOS
http://edbaker.maikosoft.com/okeanos_rhoos/1.html
hey, my early writing 1950's - 1965 or so...
all that "stuff" was in a trunk... when I got back from
Mexico/Greece/etc ((((I was traveling steadily around from about
1960-1970 so out of ALL poetry scenes then and now and especially
between 1078 and 1998)
when I got back all my "stuff" had
been thrown out by my parents who wanted the trunk to store their tax
returns!!!
even when I was in The City visiting friend I prefered her AND thos
neat book stores one in about 1970 carried my Butcher of Oxen..
on consignment 60/40
so I am standing there holding MY book and oogeling this cute girl just
off my left shoulder and says: "This is my NEW book." she replied
and one thing led to another and she said "I'll buy your book if you
sign it." "Sure, ($1.50 and no charge for my signature) what name?"
"just sine it 'to Hettie'"
so early on I came to poetry via cute girls... Pauline was my
Original Muse'
Williams, Ths Wyatt, Fenoloosa, Yeats,Olson etc etc etc I gleaned and
skimmed and seeked out a form/style to imitate
best I could do was cop an attitude or down right steal a posit
when ever I met a poet I "laid" an ms on 'em ( I always carried some
xeroxe copies w me every where I went in Manhattan, in San
Fransico/Berkeley, Portland, Seattle, Corvallis,
so... "hey John (Cage), you got time to read this?" and then I'd go
read everything tha John Cage had writte.published
same with countless othe writers (HOWEVER! in NYC with Pauline along
side we went int the poetry cafes/clubs mostly The Beats and to me
mostly bores and not nice people
so I pretty much did my "own thing" (while out in Eugene about 1973
was on that Multicolored Bus Ken Kesey, Hunter T, Jamie Brownlow and a
dozen others:
mostly I listened, didn't inhale, drank a beer
so, Kesey tells me "just, get-in-you-bag and do your
thing"
hey, I'm forgetting the original question! shit.
oh:
"how you came to poetry"
well that is an heavy question and deserves a straight/serious/cogent
response:
I came naked and virginal and naive and (all) trusting
;the first time was in the back seat of a 1955 Buick Special
GAWD! "She" yet dominates my (thinking/doing/writing/drawing)
I call her by her real names : Wild Orchid, Full Moon, Shrike, UMA,
Stone Girl, Some Flower
I just seem to be consumed!
so
in a way I am just doing what comes naturally what do those (present)
Credentialist Poets-Teachers-Experts call "it"
stream of consciousness? lanpo? mopo, mepo etc etc
I feel very close to these poets (and I may leave someone out but,
pardon me,
I gotta pee and check the Silliman blog-n-roll)
WCW, Larry Eigner, Frank Samperi, John Martone, John Phillips, John
Levy, David Giannini, Thomas Wyatt the Elder ( now I REALLY got to pee!
hey, I better read one of your previously don intervies to see how I
should (fuckin) behave and maybe spell-via-a-dictionary.
here is a little piece I wrote as a reply to something Cid (Corman)
saud-wrote to me ( I think in here
http://edbaker.maikosoft.com/restoration_letters/1.html
sometimes
it s not so easy
being myself.
oppps saud =s said
Question 3
GP: Did you experience any change in the central components of your poetry and other artistic endeavors since suffering a stroke? Or, have any new doors for the creative process been opened to you by this experience?
EB: well; that's a deep subject (old child hood joke get it? deep dark
well) dig it!
there is now a hole in my mind
(actually it is the back as you are looking forward in the back lower
right quadrant now, if you look in The Mirror thing reverse and get
turned "upside down)
through which things
willy-nilly
just come and go
well, sometimes after going and "they" come back
so that 'every thing depends' 'nothing is permanent'
the morphine was great! In it, I discovered my other country and the
attention that cute nurse paid to me showed me "herself" as more than
metaphor
as far as 'experience"
I can truthfully say that, all of a sudden, I realized!
I realized that I am nothing more that the sum of my own
e x p e r i e n c e s
and that I (can) extend those experiences via my written pieces and my
visual pieces
which, are in themselves as what they become adequate
just as they are
and I seem to have returned to embrace those "things" that I hate.
so I do what they ask me to do... mostly "goddesses" I just gotta get
things out of mind and into some kind of a
viewable form..
the form depends on the needs the thinking brings to a certain kind of
"reality" or should that be a question
three things The Goddess has taught/thought me:
1. every time something good comes in, the shit gets there before it.
almost immediately.
2. it's not the words that tell us. It is the experience of the thing.
3. if I am teaching someone through something that I've done (created)
THROUGH MY EYES, then it is wrong.
4. kiss kiss kiss kiss-kiss all you think about is sex. what kind of a
koan IS t h a t?
well
you following this line of thinking? hell, I'm not answering your
question. Shit! I'm "doing" it! regardless of the con:see:quences
or
any other need/want/desire or any other ersatz political/religious
dogmatic drivel
I got my own drool to use/clean-up
Question 4
GP: The "be here now" quality of yr work and life suggest that you have a
relationship Buddhism, not dogmatic but filtered through your own
experiences. Can you speak about yr own enlightenment during this
lifetime, art or otherwise.
EB:
not really. oh, I suppose
that
I could invent something specific to this....
however: I just don't know!
I mean,
it's like playing with no thought, it's near-on to impossible to
live
w out thinking
so, if you want to say
some thing
just say something
and, maybe go with
Walking Mind (my Japanese name I gave to myself)
something like "kokoroarunite"wher I now can accompany Stone Girl
wherever thinking/mind/heart takes us...
so
this is now practice zen not Buddhism as thought at, say Nairopa
Youniverse
or that mass-movement BeatZen
I do read lots of "stuff" S Suzuki, Thick Knot Hands, Seung Sahn,
Dogen, etc
also, Reid's book, The Tao of Health,Sex, & Longevity
and,
My Husband the Poet then, The Unknown Craftsman, Brush Mind
heck, in the tradition of many of those GREAT zen-monk poets I've even
eaten
The Comma Sutra for Idiots (yeah, I know KARMA SUTRA) but
I only read the good parts!
Philip Sudo's little book also "big"
so, as far as "enlightenment" goes:
just switch on the light! or switch off the light(I wrote a poem in
1969 or so "Ode to Ths A. Edison: Switch off the Light" it's around
here some where.
so:
I practice my own brand of "zen/religion" which "means" soething or
other:
I just don't know
if this sounds crazy well, we can call "it" Crazy Buddhism/zen and
progress to a posture of
Crazy Learning/Crazy Teaching
or
vice-uh-versa
I suppose I got "enlightenment" first time I saw Victor Borge do that
Punctuation bit...
or was it when Milton Berl ?
does this answer the question... or beg it?
what Cid wrote me stands: "do not beg what you have yet to give.".
Question 5
GP: Ed can you talk about the projects that you have going on now or on
the horizon, writing or otherwise?
EB:
Projects? let me see...
just last week "completed" Hexapoems ll, Asherah, and Ratula and got
them into the computer
thinking of scanning ALL of my 8 1/2 X 11 paintings watercolores and
sumi-ink things and the little sketches and crayons-ed things and the
"doodles (vispo?) things-things must be about 3216 of these in plastic
(acid-free) sleves in binders
- a daunting task
then there are piles of half-started or half-finished or half-abandoned
(real-lized and released),or half-ass-ed "books" to work to frewition
then there are lets see approximately 143times60 (8580) pages of my
emails that I printed out cause of the veryEEus and sundry possible
"stash" of poems there-n to make... I mean on every page! countless
twists and turns of/ my 'sent' emails..
well "everybody" 's got their "The Collected Letters of {put your own
name here}
mine will be: The Collected E-mails of Ed Baker
projects completed when they get "published
like Neighbors (first of the six books just last week "put up' on New
Mystics (at the bottom of) here:
http://www.newmystics.com/lit/EdBaker.html
some of G OO DNIGHT done by/in/on Sketchbook Journal
here:
http://poetrywriting.org/Sketchbook2-1Jan07/Jan07SKB_Ed_Baker_00_Goodnight.htm
as a matter of fact I am in as far as I know) every issue of sketch
book:
http://poetrywriting.org/Sketchbook0-0Home/Archives_Sketchbook_A_Journal_for_Eastern_and_Western_Short_Forms.htm
HERE I found it:
http://poetrywriting.org/02SketchbookTributeEdBaker08-03April/Sketchbook_3-5_May_2008_Ed_Baker_Contents_Tribute_Page.htm
then I wrote! STONE GIRL E-pic
I got it somewhere in my computer as I scanned ALL SIX BOOKS in all
525 pages
so, not much to do and I spend all of my time doing it..
everyday I write a book
everyday I do some art
http://edbaker.maikosoft.com
a photo attached and also one on the New Mystics site.
well, I am very hungry! think I'll go eat two poems today! I mean,
with the economy
the way it is and it's effect on Poetry, what's a boddhi to do?
but, Eat their own poems?
and try to maintain